Board Thread:Wiki Management/@comment-4356266-20170122083338/@comment-27187866-20170209180746

Gokyr586 wrote: This is the first I've heard of an Unterganger to start off during the time period of an earlier generation, only to die down for a long period of time before returning into prominence in a later generation. Most if not all Untergangers usually go on continuously once they start their parody-making business.

QuestionTuesdayFTW wrote:

I classified him under 2nd gen because he asked to be classified as such. Considering the 3 parodies he made back then are the bulk of his parody views I say that he should be classified as what he wants.

Also there's Gilblitz112, and the fact that he's also able to be classified as 2nd Gen. Then again he's ok with being classified as 4th so no problem there. I think it should be up to the Unterganger provided the parodies they made back then are now notable.

Honestly when I was reading the above post I was expecting Del's first three parodies to be really popular with tons of views. I was disappointed. There is little to no difference between the view counts of his earlier parodies and his current ones. Back then he's not notable, right now he still isn't (in terms of popularity).

I feel that when determining the debut generation of an Unterganger we must factor in these conditions:
 * Firstly, if the Unterganger continues making parodies long-term after the release of his debut parody,
 * Secondly, if the Unterganger has made connections with the rest of the Unterganging community during the time period of a certain generation,
 * and thirdly, if the Unterganger becomes notable enough by any means during that generation period.

Most of the Untergangers we've seen and known fulfill these requirements such that a definitive debut generation can be set for them. If it sounds really complicated, I'll just bring up a few examples: Currently as I see it, Del's limited parody-making activity in the past before slipping into long-term inactivity can be compared to YouTubers who make one-off Hitler parodies before moving on to other content and never returning to do Hitler parodies again, except that Del indeed does return after a long period of time to start making parodies long-term.
 * Soalric debuted during the second generation time period, and has continued to make parodies ever since his debut right until his retirement. He has also become really notable in the community. Hence he is classified to be 2nd-gen.
 * Deficere2 debuted during the second generation time period and became notable due to his popular parodies until the termination of his channel. Thus he is classified to be 2nd-gen.
 * For my own case, even though my new channel was only created during the 4th generation period, due to my past continued history since the 2nd generation, I am classified as 2nd-gen instead of 4th-gen.
 * Gilblitz112 is a complex case. I don't know why he technically can be classified as 2nd-gen, since I have so far not yet seen any record of his parodies or notability from the 2nd-gen period (his wiki article never mentions anything about 2nd-gen history either). Theoretically his classification as a 4th-gen is correct.

Thus, all things considered, I feel that Del's actual debut into Unterganging should be set at the current fifth generation, and that his activity during the second generation period should only be seen as one-off.

I suggest establishing the "one-off debut" status for anyone who makes one-off Hitler parodies without continuing into long-term Unterganging for a long period of time. For people like Del who go into long-term Unterganging some time after their "one-off debut", their debut generation should be set at the generation at which they debuted into long-term Unterganging and not at the generation at which their "one-off debut" took place, though the "one-off debut" should be given a brief mention as well. Check the comments of the Fourth-generation Untergangers page. That's where the Gilblitz case appears. I think we need input from all Admins.